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January 14, 2010 12:57:00 AM    View the profile of Shazam 
Howdy; this is the topic for all members of the CSS (you can find the current members on the Task Force wiki page- which should be easy to find provided all of Will's recent changes, lol). 

Anywho- I figure I'll start things off by saying that, by this Sunday night, we should be able to put together some working story idea and have each member, generally speaking, "ready" to write.  That means, maybe knowing what type of circumstance have allowed you to be where you are?  There are a few details to clear up with Will yet (need Den's approval as well), but I'm pretty confident there shouldn't be too much trouble getting this thing going.

I have a couple of ideas about "how" we write these stories, that I'll go on ahead and talk about a little bit later on (I'd like to discuss them with a member or two just yet).  In the meantime: generate some ideas, clarify for yourself what your character is going to be doing here, and: hopefully we can put some kind of meeting together on this material?  I realize this is very tentative, but if you have questions about your own positions, let's clear 'em up and we'll get this stuff all sorted and straightened out.

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January 14, 2010 4:36:45 AM    View the profile of Ibram Tyrol 
If this is going to be our official discussion topic, can we A/ Have is sticked, and B/ Have it renamed to something more official like "Task Force Xesh - Discussion" :P You can tell it's been a while since Shaz has had to do this sort of thing...

Anyway, for all those interested, the task force (along with all the other NPC TF's) will be displayed: HERE. We're right at the bottom.

There's not a complete list of members, but at the moment I think provisionally it will be: Den, Shaz, myself, Willy, Liquid and Stormz.

I don't know about the others, but for myself, I would like  our first story to be set a couple of weeks after the current Wing story, if that's possible. I'd be glad to explain why, just not here :P
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January 14, 2010 12:10:28 AM    View the profile of Shazam 
See?  I didn't know if that was the official name or the designation?  Will made it sound like it was just the designation.  We'll get back to this real soon, lol.  BLAH!
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January 14, 2010 2:40:14 PM    View the profile of StOrMz 
That should be the "official name" however, a designation (similar to Viper/Nazgul) could be given to the TF...which would be cool imo.
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January 14, 2010 2:56:58 PM    View the profile of Willtconq 
I'll say it again... The Aurebesh is merely a designation. For example. Viper is the 172nd Squadron and Nazgul is the 147th. I didn't put a name on the page because I didn't want people to think I'm just taking over things and making all the calls on my own. But I have just edited the page so that there is a place to put in the name.

Now, so far, I have received position request from Stormz and Ib(guessed). Shazam has yet to confirm his placement, and I have no idea what the rest of you want. So, please send those to me so I can make some arrangements.

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January 14, 2010 5:18:42 PM    View the profile of Hunter-Morrell 
Ibram Tyrol wrote:There's not a complete list of members, but at the moment I think provisionally it will be: Den, Shaz, myself, Willy, Liquid and Stormz.

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January 14, 2010 7:15:33 PM    View the profile of StOrMz 
You don't count :P
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January 14, 2010 9:43:56 PM    View the profile of Hunter-Morrell 
NOOOO!!!

But seriously, though. I thought I had at least a small chance of getting in it, but I wasn't even mentioned
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January 14, 2010 11:41:46 PM    View the profile of Shazam 
If you're ganna be Nazgul's SC, Hunter: no go, lol.  Sorry, man- maybe a later date?  We want you to focus on Nazgul as it's SC, though. 

Here are my thoughts for how we're going to "do this" so to speak.  Lol- not much "so to speak" there.  Uhh- anyway:  my thought is that we ought to a) make it continuous (so the stories are more like chapters, instead of separate short-stories; this way we don't have to reset the story and locations every single time); and b) to make the stories run-on (little to no real planning, aside from plans we might make between individuals): takes less on our part to put things together and, given our skill level, it should be managable. 

Also- the quality of these posts: I'd like 'em to be really, really good, lol.  I dunno about you folks, but I'd love to just go ape on these posts: well written.  We don't have to posts every day or anything, but make each post a really decent post: character development, good description, moves the plot, adds intrigue: all of that.  Let's push ourselves.  So far he have "after the Wing Story" - fair enough to me.  May not have anything to do with the wing story, but we'll see how this all works out, lol.

And I'll be using Shazam as the SCAP of the DeCameron.

Btw- how we feeling about ships?  I know Will has a slightly larger one, lol- he's also a bit higher up on the command chain as an adj to the NCC and NXO.  But it looks like we've got a bit of a selection there, so thoughts?
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January 15, 2010 3:46:28 AM    View the profile of Ibram Tyrol 
Yeah... no :P I'll be dammed if Will gets a bigger ship than me :P

Seriously though, the current set up looks ok, we just need to swap Will's Neb-B for something more Imperial, and then perhaps making it an NPC that we can all take turns at controlling.

I was thinking something like a Gladiator-class Star Destroyer, so that we could have a full wing of fighters, or maybe some kind of NPC logistics vessel like a Star Galleon or something, make the Task Force more self sufficient. Maybe even a Broad-side cruiser?

At the moment, we'll have the fighter squadrons and one ship as NPC's, so I don't know if we want to increase that slightly or get rid of the extra ship so that there's no NPC's.

As for the story, I'm not saying it needs to be connected to the Wing story, but i order to transfer Ibram to be a SCAP, I need whatever we do to be set after the Wing story, that's all
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January 15, 2010 10:06:59 AM    View the profile of Drac 
Ibram, Nebulons are Imperial. There's even a quote from an Imp officer complaining about the ones the Rebels stole. It was put into production before the Rebellion and was produced by the KDY shipyards, who only sold to the Empire until much later.

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January 15, 2010 12:16:33 AM    View the profile of Ibram Tyrol 
That's not the point Drac - show someone a Nebulon and they will more likely than not associate it with the Rebels/New Republic. At best, the Nebulon is androgynous, but that still doesn't change the fact that their are far more interesting ship-choices for us to use.
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January 15, 2010 2:07:44 PM    View the profile of Drac 
It fits the role its being cast in- it's an escort warship accompanying a larger vessel...and mind you that other vessel (and the rest of the task force) are Imperial vessels as well. If we had a Mon Cal Starcruiser then, sure, I would agree that your point is valid. As it is...not so much. Last I checked none of you are noobs who would get confused as to which side is which.

It's also a familiar ship type, which means it's easier to research/write. A more interesting ship as you put it would likely leave a lot more to guess about- not desirable right now, if possibly once the CSS is solidly on its feet.

*shrugs* I'm not part of the CSS, so this isn't my decision at all. Still, I find it silly to dismiss a ship that fits the need well just because it's "common".

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January 15, 2010 2:55:56 PM    View the profile of Willtconq 
He's got a good point. the Neb-B is probably one of the most detailed ships on wookieepedia, Even more than the V/ISDs. That will become very useful in our writings. I think the reason most people would associate a Neb-B with the Rebellion is because EAW placed the Neb-B on the Rebel side rather than Empire. But in actual SW Canon, the Rebel hardly built any Neb-Bs, almost all were stolen from Imperials at some point.

As for you whining about me having a bigger ship, I have moved myself to a Carrack instead, and put Neb-B as a support ship.

and thanks Shaz for your cooperation :P
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January 15, 2010 3:04:07 PM    View the profile of Ibram Tyrol 
I accept the point, and to some extent agree to it, but I just feel we shouldn't be limited to what we 'know'.

A decent writer could take one of the more rarer vessels and extropolate the knowledge they need without too much effort. Hell, I'd challange the idea that we need a lot of technical knowledge anyway.

Not even the Neb-B page is detailed enough to give information about the interior, which at the end of the day is one of the most important aspects.

This is only my opinion, so fair dos If I'm out-voted, but I think we can do better than a Neb-B.
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January 15, 2010 3:19:19 PM    View the profile of Ibram Tyrol 
Just had a chat with Shazam, and talked to him about this, and he wanted me to throw my musings up for further clarification:

What we have at the moment is:

* One fairly powerful ship for Den, as TaskForce Commander

* One smaller but also fairly powerful ship for Shaz, as the XO.

* The rest of us have Carracks/ Lancers, since we're essentially the 'grunts' - although if someone wanted to try to specialse, I'm sure a substitute ship could be found.

* The final ship should be some kind of support NPC ship that we can all use when needed for story purposes. Couple of ideas I had were a Broadside-class Corvette (From EaW) or maybe a logistical vessel to ensure the Tf could operate withour re-supply for extended periods of time, Like a Star Gaellon armourd frigate.

Den's ship can carry fighters, along with Shazams, and the two have plenty of firepower between them. We, in the carracks and lancers, are the picket ships, so between us 6 we have the major roles covered - we don't need a Neb-B. I reckon something light, yet crucial, would be good for our story writing and the diversity for the fleet.

Shaz seemed to agree with me as well, although he didn't get a chance to give me his final thoughts.

Anyway, just some food for thought.
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January 16, 2010 2:38:29 PM    View the profile of Willtconq 
I'm gonna add a new page to the wiki that is dedicated to our task force. Here's some topics I have come up with so far:

Composition
Missions/History
Leadership:Past and Present
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Lemme know if anyone thinks of any more topics.
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January 16, 2010 6:48:58 PM    View the profile of Shazam 
Lol- or...  We could plan the entire story and then write off of that plan.  But, I think just making it up should be fun
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January 16, 2010 8:53:41 PM    View the profile of Willtconq 
The new Task Force Page can be found here
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January 17, 2010 1:55:44 AM    View the profile of Shazam 
Hey, guys; I'd like to kind of retract part of my initial statement? Lol.  The area where I, essentially, advocate "winging" our stories by making it into a run-on?  Yea, let's scrap that, lol.  That was derived from the idea that we would be able to create an interesting plot through effort alone.  But!

Let's make this great, right?  That's ganna require some planning, but if you guys are willing to put in a little time with planning (which I doubt I even have to ask, lol): I think the return will be huge.  Can we set-up a meeting time?  Maybe after the Naval Meeting tomorrow? (If I'm around- there might be another meeting I have to go to, lol.)  Anyway, more on this soon; BLAH!
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January 17, 2010 2:28:13 AM    View the profile of Shazam 
Btw: Tactical CSS discussions?  Most interesting damn conversations, lol.  "YAY-HA!"

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January 19, 2010 4:15:38 AM    View the profile of Shazam 
Alright- so we got some interesting stuff discussed on Sunday.  Looks like you guys have been editing the TF-X page to reflect that?  Great job keeping on that page, btw, guys.  Now, lookin to where we need to go next:

Still need to have a couple of our ships named, no?  And did we decide officially on that broadside cruiser for a support ship?

I'm ganna work on rounding Shazam out a little bit, so as to prepare him for story-work a little bit.  I've got some more to talk about in terms of how we're going to attack these stories as well, so keep your eyes peeled...

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January 19, 2010 5:00:09 AM    View the profile of Shazam 
A rather well-informed short essay?

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/Naval-Tactics.html
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January 19, 2010 9:23:38 AM    View the profile of StOrMz 
I have taken the liberty of adding the Task Force to the Roster. It's at the bottom of the page (Maybe Den knows how/where to move it)

At the moment, only rudimentary positions are on there...some may be changed.
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January 19, 2010 2:38:25 PM    View the profile of Ibram Tyrol 
I don't have any roster experience myself so I don't know how much depth we can add to it. The only point of contention is that, technically, we need to be in the same 'area' as where the squadrons are, just listed under a different fleet. But again, whatever ^^

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January 19, 2010 11:05:12 PM    View the profile of Willtconq 
i think either way is fine. Afterall, the Task Forces are a completely separate subdivision and should not be mixed with the StarFighter Corp.
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January 20, 2010 1:37:36 AM    View the profile of Willtconq 
Just had a thought. What if we had like a guest ship, a different one for each mission. Kinda like guest stars on TV shows. It will obviously serve as an NPC ship. and it can either be the 8th ship in the TF or replace the broadside as the 7th. just an idea...
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January 20, 2010 5:37:21 AM    View the profile of Ibram Tyrol 
Hmm... I dunno. It's not that we're totally seperate from the starfighter corps, we're just not the starfighter corps.

Phoenix Wing is part of the 1st Fleet, and we're part of the Fifth, so we can still be listed together, we just need to make sure the different fleet assignments are shown through.

But again, Whatever works

As for the guest thing... yeah could do, would depend on the story I guess.
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January 20, 2010 9:53:15 AM    View the profile of Shazam 
Possibly for visiting vets? 

Either way is fine, but I think I might prefer it Ibram's way, actually; plus, if anything, I kind of prefer to have the training squadron at the bottom (familiarity feels good?).
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January 20, 2010 10:16:18 AM    View the profile of StOrMz 
I moved the CSS Roster around, check it out and critique it...it's a work in progress

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